Hypergamy, the Myth of Female Monogamy and Personal Responsibility in the Age of Feminism
In the past I have made the case that feminism seeks to eliminate double standards which are perceived to favor men, yet gladly perpetuate those serve the interests of women. One such case is the abdication of female responsibility to family and society in favor of personal satisfaction. Oddly their definition of equality does not apply to men. Men continue to be expected to sacrifice their freedom to support wife and family, even when she decides to leave him in the name of her personal satisfaction. Witness the legion men saddled with alimony payments and ruinous divorce settlements. How did we come to this ridiculous state of affairs? Why are men who fail these expectations branded as jerks and women who do so celebrated by society with a “you go girl” and a blank check?
Recently I came across a very insightful article by F. Roger Devlin titled “Sexual Utopia in Power” excerpted below. It does a wonderful job of addressing these questions and highlighting the failures of the sexual revolution and the consequent disintegration of functional, family-positive gender relations in our society. I strongly recommend reading it in its entirety as it is simply too long to include here. Devlin begins by defining male and female sexual utopias. Interestingly he defines them not in the conventional terms of male polygamy vs. female monogamy, but rather as male polygamy and female hypergamy as the gender-specific sexual ideals:
Let us consider what a sexual utopia is, and let us begin with men, who are in every respect simpler.
Nature has played a trick on men: production of spermatozoa occurs at a rate several orders of magnitude greater than female ovulation (about 12 million per hour vs. 400 per lifetime). This is a natural, not a moral, fact. Among the lower animals also, the male is grossly oversupplied with something for which the female has only a limited demand. This means that the female has far greater control over mating. The universal law of nature is that males display and females choose. Male peacocks spread their tales, females choose. Male rams butt horns, females choose. Among humans, boys try to impress girls—and the girls choose. Nature dictates that in the mating dance, the male must wait to be chosen.
A man’s sexual utopia is, accordingly, a world in which no such limit to female demand for him exists. It is not necessary to resort to pornography for examples. Consider only popular movies aimed at a male audience, such as the James Bond series. Women simply cannot resist James Bond. He does not have to propose marriage, or even request dates. He simply walks into the room and they swoon. The entertainment industry turns out endless unrealistic images such as this. Why, the male viewer eventually may ask, cannot life actually be so? To some, it is tempting to put the blame on the institution of marriage.
Marriage, after all, seems to restrict sex rather drastically. Certain men figure that if sex were permitted both inside and outside of marriage there would be twice as much of it as formerly. They imagined there existed a large, untapped reservoir of female desire hitherto repressed by monogamy. To release it, they sought, during the early postwar period, to replace the seventh commandment with an endorsement of all sexual activity between “consenting adults.” Every man could have a harem. Sexual behavior in general, and not merely family life, was henceforward to be regarded as a private matter. Traditionalists who disagreed were said to want to “put a policeman in every bedroom.” This was the age of the Kinsey Report and the first appearance of Playboy magazine. Idle male daydreams had become a social movement.
This characteristically male sexual utopianism was a forerunner of the sexual revolution but not the revolution itself. Men are incapable of bringing about fundamental changes in heterosexual relations without the cooperation—the famed “consent”—of women. But the original male would-be revolutionaries did not understand the nature of the female sex instinct. That is why things have not gone according to their plan.
What is the special character of feminine sexual desire that distinguishes it from that of men?
It is sometimes said that men are polygamous and women monogamous. Such a belief is often implicit in the writings of male conservatives: Women only want good husbands, but heartless men use and abandon them. Some evidence does appear, prima facie, to support such a view. One 1994 survey found that “while men projected they would ideally like six sex partners over the next year, and eight over the next two years, women responded that their ideal would be to have only one partner over the next year. And over two years? The answer, for women, was still one.” Is this not evidence that women are naturally monogamous?
No it is not. Women know their own sexual urges are unruly, but traditionally have had enough sense to keep quiet about it. A husband’s belief that his wife is naturally monogamous makes for his own peace of mind. It is not to a wife’s advantage, either, that her husband understand her too well: Knowledge is power. In short, we have here a kind of Platonic “noble lie”—a belief which is salutary, although false.
It would be more accurate to say that the female sexual instinct is hypergamous. Men may have a tendency to seek sexual variety, but women have simple tastes in the manner of Oscar Wilde: They are always satisfied with the best. By definition, only one man can be the best. These different male and female “sexual orientations” are clearly seen among the lower primates, e.g., in a baboon pack. Females compete to mate at the top, males to get to the top.
Women, in fact, have a distinctive sexual utopia corresponding to their hypergamous instincts. In its purely utopian form, it has two parts: First, she mates with her incubus, the imaginary perfect man; and second, he “commits,” or ceases mating with all other women. This is the formula of much pulp romance fiction. The fantasy is strictly utopian, partly because no perfect man exists, but partly also because even if he did, it is logically impossible for him to be the exclusive mate of all the women who desire him.
It is possible, however, to enable women to mate hypergamously, i.e., with the most sexually attractive (handsome or socially dominant) men. In the Ecclesiazusae of Aristophanes the women of Athens stage a coup d’état. They occupy the legislative assembly and barricade their husbands out. Then they proceed to enact a law by which the most attractive males of the city will be compelled to mate with each female in turn, beginning with the least attractive. That is the female sexual utopia in power. Aristophanes had a better understanding of the female mind than the average husband.
Hypergamy is not monogamy in the human sense. Although there may be only one “alpha male” at the top of the pack at any given time, which one it is changes over time. In human terms, this means the female is fickle, infatuated with no more than one man at any given time, but not naturally loyal to a husband over the course of a lifetime. In bygone days, it was permitted to point out natural female inconstancy. Consult, for example, Ring Lardner’s humorous story “I Can’t Breathe”—the private journal of an eighteen year old girl who wants to marry a different young man every week. If surveyed on her preferred number of “sex partners,” she would presumably respond one; this does not mean she has any idea who it is.
An important aspect of hypergamy is that it implies the rejection of most males. Women are not so much naturally modest as naturally vain. They are inclined to believe that only the “best” (most sexually attractive) man is worthy of them. This is another common theme of popular romance (the beautiful princess, surrounded by panting suitors, pined away hopelessly for a “real” man—until, one day…etc.).
This cannot be objectively true, of course. An average man would seem to be good enough for the average woman by definition. If women were to mate with all the men “worthy” of them they would have little time for anything else. To repeat, hypergamy is distinct from monogamy. It is an irrational instinct, and the female sexual utopia is a consequence of that instinct.
The sexual revolution in America was an attempt by women to realize their own utopia, not that of men. Female utopians came forward publicly with plans a few years after Kinsey and Playboy. Helen Gurley Brown’s Sex and the Single Girl appeared in 1962, and she took over Cosmopolitan magazine three years later. Notoriously hostile to motherhood, she explicitly encouraged women to use men (including married men) for pleasure.
Indeed I think he has hit the nail on the head. This is a much more realistic portrayal of the tension between the gender’s specific sexual interests and is a more layered analysis than “men are dogs and women are virginal.” He goes on to describe how the sexual revolution and feminist ideals convince women of the lie that but for societies indoctrination we are all the same, and that behaving as men is the solution to their oppression. Further described is the hypocrisy of seeing men as continuing to be required to fulfill their traditional role of protection and providing, while they solely reap the benefits of their “liberation.” Truly feminism is the ultimate double standard in sheep’s clothing.
The actual outbreak of the sexual revolution occurred when significant numbers of young women began acting on the new utopian plan. This seems to have occurred on many college campuses in the nineteen-sixties. Women who took birth-control pills and committed fornication with any man who caught their fancy claimed they were liberating themselves from the slavery of marriage. The men, urged by their youthful hormones, frequently went along with this, but were not as happy about it as they are sometimes represented. Columnist Paul Craig Roberts recalls:
I was a young professor when it all started and watched a campus turn into a brothel. The male students were perplexed, even the left-wing ones who had been taught to regard female chastity as oppression. I still remember the resident Marxist who, high on peyote, came to me to complain that “nice girls are ruining themselves.”
This should not be surprising. Most men prefer a virgin bride; this is a genuine aspect of male erotic desire favoring monogamy, and hence in constant tension with the impulse to seek sexual variety.
The young women, although hardly philosophers, did set forth arguments to justify their behavior. Most were a variation on the theme that traditional morality involved an unwarranted double standard. It was said that women who had promiscuous sex had been condemned as “sluts” while men who did the same were admired as “studs.” It was pointed out that some men sought sex outside marriage and subsequently insisted on their brides being virgins. The common expression “fallen woman,” and the absence of a corresponding expression “fallen man,” was cited as further evidence of an unfair double standard. The inference the women drew was that they, too, should thenceforward seek sex outside of marriage. This, of course, does not logically follow. They might have determined instead to set wayward men a good example by practicing monogamy regardless of men’s own actions.
But let us ignore that for the moment and consider the premise of their argument, the double standard. Like most influential falsehoods, it involves a distortion, rather than a mere negation, of an important truth. It is plausible, and hence dangerous, because it resembles that truth.
In fact, men have never been encouraged to go about seeking casual sex with multiple women. How could any sane society encourage such behavior? The results are inevitable and obvious: abandoned women and fatherless children who are a financial burden on innocent third parties. Accordingly, promiscuous men have traditionally been regarded as dissolute, dangerous, and dishonorable. They have been called by names such as “libertine” or “rake.” The traditional rule of sexual conduct has been chastity outside of marriage, faithfulness within—for both sexes.
But in one sense there was undoubtedly a double standard: A sexual indiscretion, whether fornication or adultery, has usually been regarded as a more serious matter in a woman than in a man, and socially sanctioned punishments for it have often been greater. In other words, while both sexes were supposed to practice monogamy, it was considered especially important for women to do so. Why is this?
In the first place, they tend to be better at it. This is not due to any moral superiority of the female, as many men are pleased to believe, but to their lower levels of testosterone and their slower sexual cycle: ovulation at the rate of one gamete per month.
Second, if women are all monogamous, the men will perforce be monogamous anyway: It is arithmetically impossible for polygamy to be the norm for men throughout a society because of the human sex ratio at birth.
Third, the private nature of the sexual act and the nine month human gestation period mean that, while there is not normally doubt as to whom the mother of a particular baby is, there may well be doubt regarding the father. Female fidelity is necessary to assure the husband that his wife’s children are also his.
Fourth, women are, next to children, the main beneficiaries of marriage. Most men work their lives away at jobs they do not much care for in order to support wife and family. For women, marriage coincides with economic rationality; for a man, going to a prostitute is a better deal. Accordingly, chastity before marriage and fidelity within it are the very least a woman owes her husband. Indeed, on the traditional view, she owes him a great deal more. She is to make a home for him, return gratitude and loyalty for his support of her, and accept his position as head of the family.
Traditional concern for fallen women does not imply there are no “fallen men.” Fornication is usually a sin of weakness, and undoubtedly many men who fall into it feel ashamed. The real double standard here is that few bother to sympathize with those men. Both men and women are more inclined to pity women. Some of the greatest male novelists of the nineteenth century devoted their best labors to the sympathetic portrayal of adulteresses. Men, by contrast, are expected to take full responsibility for their actions, no questions asked. In other words, this double standard favors women. So do most traditional sex roles, such as exclusively male liability to military service. The female responsibility to be the primary enforcer of monogamy is something of an exception.
What, after all, is the alternative to the double standard? Is it practical to give sexually desperate young men exclusive responsibility to ensure no act of fornication ever takes place? Or should women be locked up to make it impossible? Logically, a woman must either have no mate, one mate, or more than one mate. The first two choices are socially accepted; the third is not. Such disapproval involves no coercion, however. Women who insist on mating with multiple men may do so. But they are responsible for that behavior and its consequences.
Women’s complaints about double standards refer only to the few which seem to favor men. They unhesitatingly take advantage of those which favor themselves. Wives in modern, two-income marriages, for example, typically assume that “what I earn is mine; what he earns is ours.” Young women insist on their “independence,” but assume they are entitled to male protection should things get sticky.
But the ultimate expression of modern female hypocrisy is the assertion of a right to adultery for women only. This view is clearly implied in much contemporary self-help literature aimed at women. Titles like Get Rid of Him and Ditch That Jerk are found side-by-side Men Who Can’t Love: How to Spot a Commitmentphobic Man. In short, I demand loyalty from you, but you have no right to expect it of me. Many women seem sincerely unable to sense a contradiction here. Perhaps, as Schopenhauer thought, the female is not naturally provided with a sense of justice. Justice, is, after all, a virtue of leaders; it is of little use in nurturing children.
However that may be, the modern woman clearly wants the benefits of a traditional marriage, but is unwilling to pay the costs; she wants a man to marry her without her having to marry the man. It is the eternal dream of irresponsible freedom: In the feminist formulation, freedom for women, responsibility for men.
Men, by contrast, usually accept that their demand for faithfulness from their wives entails a reciprocal duty of faithfulness to their wives. In fact, I am inclined to believe most men lay too much stress on this. For a man, fidelity in marriage should be a matter of preserving his own honor and ensuring that he is able to be a proper father to all his children; his wife’s feelings are a secondary matter, as are his own. In any case, the marriage vow is carefully formulated to enunciate a reciprocity of obligations; both the man and woman pledge faithfulness for life. Given innate sex differences, it is not possible to eliminate the double standard any more than marriage already has.
While the feminists promised happiness as a result of total freedom of personal choice and lack of responsibility (for women), this was not the result of bastardizing the natural order of gender relations. Our animal natures do not fade away in the face of disapprobation and on the feminists say so. If anything, the departure from the social structure which mirrored the natural order has decreased women’s happiness and given rise to a state where women expect male subservience to their will. Women, trying and failing to mindlessly ape men by objectifying them as they suppose men do to women, and empowered with equivalent earning power, act in contravention of their own denied desires to have a man dominate and lead them to a fruitful and faithful union. Desperately seeking the man who will not bend to her whims, she becomes a ball-buster while man after man fails her tests and fails to earn her respect:
It is a cliché of political philosophy that the less self-restraint citizens are able to exercise, the more they must be constrained from without. The practical necessity of such a trade-off can be seen in such extraordinary upheavals as the French and Russian Revolutions. First, old and habitual patterns and norms are thrown aside in the name of freedom. When the ensuing chaos becomes intolerable, some group with the requisite ambition, self-assurance and ruthlessness succeeds in forcibly imposing its own order on the weakened society. This is what gradually happened in the case of the sexual revolution also, with the role of Jacobins/Bolsheviks being assumed by the feminists.
Human beings cannot do without some social norms to guide them in their personal relations. Young women cannot be expected to work out a personal system of sexual ethics in the manner of Descartes reconstructing the universe in his own mind. If you cease to prepare them for marriage, they will seek guidance wherever they can find it. In the past thirty years they have found it in feminism, simply because the feminists have outshouted everyone else.
After helping to encourage sexual experimentation by young women, feminism found itself able to capitalize on the unhappiness which resulted. Their program for rewriting the rules of human sexual behavior is in one way a continuation of the liberationists’ utopian program and in another way a reaction against it. The feminists approve the notion of a right to do as one pleases without responsibilities toward others; they merely insist that only women have this right.
Looking about them for some legal and moral basis for enforcing this novel claim, they hit upon the age-old prohibition against rape. Feminists understand rape, however, not as a violation of a woman’s chastity or marital fidelity, but of her merely personal wishes. They are making use of the ancient law against rape to enforce not respect for feminine modesty but obedience to female whims. Their ideal is not the man whose self-control permits a woman to exercise her own, but the man who is subservient to a woman’s good pleasure—the man who behaves, not like a gentleman, but like a dildo.
But mere disregard of a woman’s personal wishes is manifestly not the reason men have been disgraced, imprisoned, in some societies even put to death for the crime of rape. On the new view, in which consent rather than the marriage bond is the issue, the same sexual act may be a crime on Monday or Wednesday and a right on Tuesday or Thursday, according to the shifts in a woman’s mood. Feminists claim rape is not taken seriously enough; perhaps it would be better to ask how it could be taken seriously at all once we begin defining it as they do. If women want to be free to do as they please with men, after all, why should not men be free to do as they please with women?
Indeed, the date rape campaign owes its success only to the lingering effect of older views. Feminists themselves are not confused about this; they write openly of “redefining rape.” Of course, for those of us who still speak traditional English, this amounts to an admission that they are falsely accusing men.
One might have more sympathy for the “date rape victims” if they wanted the men to marry them, feared they were ruined for other suitors, and were prepared to assume their own obligations as wives and mothers. But this is simply not the case. The date rape campaigners, if not the confused young women themselves, are hostile to the very idea of matrimony, and never propose it as a solution. They want to jail men, not make responsible husbands of them. This is far worse than shotgun marriage, which at least allowed the man to act as father to the child he had sired.
And what benefit do women derive from imprisoning men as date rapists apart from gratification of a desire for revenge? Seeing men punished may even confirm morally confused women in their mistaken sense of victimhood—resentment tends to feed upon itself, like an itch that worsens with scratching. Women are reinforced in the belief that it is their right for men’s behavior to be anything they would like it to be. They become less inclined to treat men with respect or to try to learn to understand or compromise with them. In a word, they learn to think and behave like spoiled children, expecting everything and willing to give nothing.
Men, meanwhile, respond to this in ways that are not difficult to predict. They may not (at first) decline sexual liaisons with such women, because the woman’s moral shortcomings do not have too great an effect upon the sexual act itself. But, quite rationally, they will avoid any deeper involvement with them. So women experience fewer, shorter, and worse marriages and “relationships” with men. But they do not blame themselves for the predicament they are in; they refuse to see any connection between their own behavior and their loneliness and frustration. Thus we get ever more frequent characterizations of men as rapists and predators who mysteriously refuse to commit.
Indeed, the only people profiting from the imposition of the new standards are the feminists who invented them. The survival of their movement depends on a continuing supply of resentful women who believe their rights are being violated; one can only admit that the principles which buttress the date rape campaign are admirably designed to guarantee such a supply. Feminism is a movement that thrives on its own failures; hence, it is very difficult to reverse.
And that, dear readers, is how feminism has fucked America. This is the reason why marriage under the current state of affairs is happiness suicide for men. We sacrifice all for nothing and women accrue the benefits whether they are faithful and remain with us, or scandalous and leave taking our paycheck and the happiness of family with them. Little wonder then, that we are seeing a precipitous decline in marriage and birthrate among America’s youth, it’s a kamikaze mission a fool’s errand.
So what’s a young libertine to do? There’s no use crying over spilt milk, I am nothing if not a pragmatist. The removal of societal expectations of monogamy and marriage allows women to follow their yen: hypergamy.
Public discussion of the sexual revolution has tended to focus on date rape and “hook-ups,” that is, on what is taking place, rather than on the formation of stable families that is not taking place. This creates an impression that there really is “more sex” for men today than before some misguided girls misbehaved themselves forty years ago. People speak as if the male sexual utopia of a harem for every man has actually been realized.
It is child’s play to show that this cannot be true. There is roughly the same number of male as female children (not quite: there are about 5 percent more live male births than female—there is not a girl for every boy.) What happens when female sexual desire is liberated is not an increase in the total amount of sex available to men, but a redistribution of the existing supply. Society becomes polygamous. A situation emerges in which most men are desperate for wives, but many women are just as desperately throwing themselves at a very few exceptionally attractive men. These men, who have always found it easy to get a mate, now get multiple mates.
A characteristic feature of decadent societies is the recrudescence of primitive, precivilized cultural forms. That is what is happening to us. Sexual liberation really means the Darwinian mating pattern of the baboon pack reappears among humans.
Once monogamy is abolished, no restriction is placed on a woman’s choices. Hence, all women choose the same few men. If Casanova had 132 lovers it is because 132 different women chose him. Such men acquire harems, not because they are predators, but because they happen to be attractive. The problem is not so much male immorality as simple arithmetic; it is obviously impossible for every woman to have exclusive possession of the most attractive man. If women want to mate simply as their natural drives impel them, they must, rationally speaking, be willing to share their mate with others.
But, of course, women’s attitude about this situation is not especially rational. They expect their alpha man to “commit.” Woman’s complaining about men’s failure to commit, one suspects, means merely that they are unable to get a highly attractive man to commit to them; rather as if an ordinary man were to propose to Helen of Troy and complain of her refusal by saying “women don’t want to get married.”
Furthermore, many women are sexually attracted to promiscuous men because, not in spite, of their promiscuity. This can be explained with reference to the primate pack. The “alpha male” can be identified by his mating with many females. This is probably where the sluts-and-studs double standard argument came from—not from any social approval of male promiscuity, but from female fascination with it. Male “immorality” (in traditional language) can be attractive to females. Thus, once polygamous mating begins, it tends to be self-reinforcing.
They all seek the most attractive man they can find and while they fantasize about getting him to “commit” they are willing to accept sharing him in lieu of settling for the pudding-spined “nice-guy.” If all the women are pursuing the same few men, who are they? The Alpha-dogs; the big swinging dicks of post-feminist America. This gents, is our time. We can incorrigibly date multiple women, tell them we’re doing so, and suffer no consequences. Society will laud us, and women will fuck us six ways from Sunday. This is the reproductive strategy for our times. This is why so many men seek to learn the art of the PUA, to learn what makes an Alpha, because though they were raised being taught a lie, on a deep level they recognize it’s a fallacy. Rise up and grab your sack boys, it is your time to shine.

wow. i’m still trying to wrap my mind around that. it’s “one” man, but in terms of his definition, not specifically “him” per se.
I know, when I read this a light came on. He’s hit the nail on the head. We’ve always viewed it in polygamy/monogamy terms but that is an inaccurate portrayal which is why it was so hard to rectify that worldview with what we see around us. Makes you wonder whether long-term relationships are even feasible in a world without steep social penalties for divorce. I’m leaning towards no, unless you just view it as a business partnership which is the foundation of a family but allow for outside dalliances by both parties. It also is a strong argument for men delaying marriage until they are well established and marrying younger (but of course still protection themselves by prenups).
This guy just condoned rape.
I can’t believe I wasted 15 mins reading this crap.
Full of inane and unfounded generalizations.
If you wanna fuck around no biggie… why rationalize it with sexist pseudo scientific/anthropological propaganda
J,
Not in the least. He delineated how modern culture has broadened the definition of rape to include situations in which consent was given at the time, but regrets after the fact have been used to retroactively justify claims of rape. A realistic definition of rape must not be subjective and has been universally understood as forced sex, period. A woman’s ability to revoke consent after the fact merely blurs the definition, and harms actual rape victims. If you read the article, he was a strong advocate of marriage, not promiscuity. He states that the rise of pre-marital sex has created a situation in which young people often have sex for the wrong reasons and come to regret it, and that today, this can be grounds for accusations of rape under the subjective definition we’ve been given under feminism.
J, nothing new there. Anti-feminists like to insinuate or even clearly state that rape is okay, but when you confront them about it they suddenly go “I NEVER SAID THAT I NEVER SAID THAT.” Anti-feminists are nothing but thugs who have somehow managed to legitimize their bullshit by joining the anti-feminism bandwagon (which is almost exclusively populated by people who should be removed from the gene pool as soon as possible, even though feminism is something that everyone should oppose).
And another cool thing about anti-feminists is that their sites must carefully moderate and screen all comments, which is a sign of deep insecurity and intellectual weakness.
I have not condoned rape here either explicitly or implicitly and I hold it to be a crime deserving of the most punitive justice. If consent is freely given no rape has occurred. A clear definition of rape would include sex obtained by force or coercion including cases where the victim is incapacitated through drugs or alcohol. These are cases where the perpetrator forces himself on the victim without consent. Any law must include a clear definition to be enforceable. If this was not clear to some readers I will reiterate it here. I do not now, nor have I ever condoned rape. Any other interpretation is a gross distortion of the facts, plain and simple.
Comment moderation prevents comment spam by webcrawlers. If what you claim were the case your comments would never have appeared here in the first place.
For anyone who is unclear, the definition of rape as solely encompassing sexual acts of force or coercion is one agreed to by many women as well. The dictionary defines it the same way as well. Any other interpretation is absurd and diminishes the seriousness of the crime.
That’s a pretty epiphaneous read and confirms my observation that feminism has, post-WWII, wrecked more lifes and done more harm to society than all other -isms put together.
By the way, free speech applies to the relationship between the state and its citizens only. Rudeness on private property towards the owner is not an expression of free speech. If a blog owner chooses not to publish hostile comments, it may be censorship but life isn’t fair. Let them rant at their own blog.
True, however if people are willing to engage in debate and engage in a modicum of decorum I’m happy to let the say as they like. One of my goals here is to foster discussion. What fun would it be if only assentors got through. Let them piss and moan. Their vitriol only appears that much more misguided when they find their comments have indeed been posted. I defy anyone who has made a substantive comment instead of spam to claim that only the agreeable comments are allowed through. Bullshit.
Frankly, I know that your point of view has nore merit. But I am German and we are just as authoritarian as the old cliché about us says. (Most clichés are true!)
Has MORE merit, of course!
Dude, you’re talking about Maenads and their Year King here. Look up the fertility rites of certain ancient Greek and Syrian fertility cults.
The Maenads were follows of Dyonisius who (in some versions) each year selected the handsomest and most virile man to be their “king”.
For the next year he ruled over them (mostly through copulation). At the end of the year, the Maenads celebrated a giant feast/orgy, at which they drank and ate to excess, and then forced the Year King to mate with them as frequently as possible. When he could no longer perform at the culmination of the rite, they ripped him limb from limb, with the woman who emerged from the melee with his penis being granted a special honor.
Of course, it’s all probably apocryphal, but it says much that the Greeks would tell thmeselves such stories, no?
The Greeks were much more cognizant of their different natures if you ask me. A god for every archetype and a festival for every need. Sign me up! I’ve always considered myself a Dionysian personally.
Devlin actually wrote THREE articles.
They are all here: http://public.box.net/mensarefugee26388
There is also an audio interview of him available on that link.
Also, he has a fourth article called “Home Economics”:
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/devlin_home_ec_01.htm
Also, as the topic of rape has come up, a very thought provoking post on that topic is here:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-main/rape-adultery-16059.html
with a goodly set of comments here:
http://www.mens-rights.net/forum/index.php?topic=6114.0
and my personal comments here:
http://www.mens-rights.net/forum/index.php?topic=6114.msg43189#msg43189
Thanks Ardia, good resources. I am eager to read his other material. Interesting comment as well. I’d not thought of it that way.
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Hmm, are WE a little bitter.
All I kept thinking while reading this was:
PLEASE, do NOT let this person reproduce…
I think its a great way to set men up to have a bad attitude towards women in general thanks if the dating world wasnt hard enough as it is .Not all women are alike some of us are normal, and do not expect the world from a guy. Dont go spreading this crap around when men who are in a bad relationship can read it and take it to heart and use it to be a complete ass.
It goes both ways men are out to get laid and lie through there teeth to get it. When some of us nice ladies are looking for a normal relationship you come along and spring this load of doo doo.
Not bitter, just realistic. Funny how many women confuse the two. Men never seem to have this problem. Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that men in America are for the most part are afraid to speak the truth so women go on projecting their own worldview upon us. Men don’t see the world as you do and it’s not just me as my many fans can attest.
Fortunately ideas are memes that don’t require genes to be passed on. I can enlighten many more men with ideas than through reproduction. Don’t worry though, I carry a fantastic genome and it will be passed on to equally endowed offspring who will be well equipped to thrive in the world.
Everyone that I’ve encountered who states they are the exception to the rule is simply in denial. Not all guys lie through their teeth to get sex. Go after the hordes of unloved nice guys all you ladies overlook. They’ll fawn all over you and do everything I advise against. You can set them up and knock them down.
*Cough*
Just trolling Google and updating links.
Due to Box.net changes the link:
http://public.box.net/mensarefugee26388
no longer works.
The Devlin articles (and audio and Sex and Culture book) are now hosted here:
http://box.net/mensarefugee26388
It is interesting how women often put rapists and anti-feminists in the same paragraph, and then want to jusge the debate practices of anti-feminists.
I doubt anyone is still reading this but anyway.
Neither males nor females are monogomous nor have we ever been.
But contrary to what you are saying, it isn’t a result of women going after the “alpha males” and trying to make them commit. Women are attracted to looks, but these are not the men that women tend to try and get to commit to them.
Women are told, from a very young age, that marriage is WHAT they want, that monogamy is their nature, and that the happily ever after dream, is what they want to achieve.
Women pursue this in the same way men pursue sex. It’s a goal, that will “supposedly” make them happy.
The very thing you are saying “Women gain everything from marriage” is what is causing so many problems.
Men already know, that when they marry they are giving up things. They are already allowed to admit their own sexual natures. That they would prefer more than one partner but they give this up for marriage. Men already know, they are giving up their independance, their financial means, their freedoms.
When they find the right women they are prepared to do it.
Women on the other hand are ONLY taught, that marriage is what they want and that they only have to gain from it. Children is what they want and they will be happy when they get it. They are also told they only want 1 sexual partner.
So men go into marriage with low expectations and women, with very high ones. Who do you think is going to be the most dissapointed?
Women being told historically who they are and what they want, and women being told currently who they are and what they want…ends up with women who THINK they know what they want, get it, realize they are not happy, nor do they know how to be happy. They didn’t KNOW that marriage for a woman, was giving up as many things as men were required to do.
Our expectations are wrong, and the statements you are making perpetuate this myth, and lead women up a fantasy path.
I do not agree with the current state of infidelity and custody issues in marriages but I think you are wrong about what women want.
Feminism happened, because women didn’t want to be dominated. However, they do NOT want men, who will not stand up to them. It makes the women feel invisible. Many women that have affairs, will say “How could he have put up with so much from me? Why didn’t he NOTICE WHAT I WAS DOING!!
They are disgusted by their men’s passivity, and the men make a huge mistake by trying to do everything to make their wives happy, instead of saying that the behaviour is not acceptable.
Society needs to accept that women are very sexual. They aren’t fallen, or norty, or bad women. They have biological sexual urges that kick into overdrive during their 30′s and 40′s as their testosterone levels go up. They have been shamed into believing they are monogamous for way too long in an attempt to make men feel secure in the paternity of their children. Womens sexuality was oppressed and controlled to the point where everyone actually believed women were monogamous and easily pleased by one male.
So they enter a marriage, believing that commitment and monogamy will be easy for them, only to get very surpised and disappointed when they find out it’s not.
They also believe they will gain in marraige, and are never taught what they will also be giving up or how it will make them feel.
Armed with better information we could make better decisions.
Although some of your perceptions are right, your understanding of the reasons for the problems are wrong imo.
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When I was a teenager I was raped by a man who was already married and why on earth would I want to marry a rapist?
Also, I can’t stand sex or the idea of sex (it’s stinky and messy) but I enjoy masturbation and multiple-orgasms (much cleaner by myself).
That said, my husband has sex with me whenever he wants and I play the enthusiastic lover to please him but really, we’re talking a few minutes of actual sex and there is no way in hell I can orgasm in that short amount of time and hurting his feelings over his premature ejaculation is just not worth it any longer.
Oh well! I love him!
Nobody should have to be raped, nothing said here justifies it. Violence is wrong, period. Why one might want to marry their rapist is beyond me. I’m sorry you have issues and your husband is a hair trigger, but he’s one example, sex needn’t be that way and the good sex isn’t.
Anette, your comment deserves a more considered response as you are open to ideas but lack the framework to see my comments in context I believe. You are not alone. Thus I am endeavoring to respond first by fleshing out the conceptual framework I am working from in my latest post on hypergamy and infidelity. This will be one of several, and I will address your specific points in one of the subsequent posts in the series. Fundamentals first. And yes people are still reading. Why don’t you look here for the first in the series.
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This is one of the most important things I have ever read. Thank you.
Oh so fucking true!
Wow, Serena, your husband sounds like a lucky guy……not.
I’m Paul Myers, and I’m a proud cuckold!